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		By: Dr Dhiresh Kulshrestha Associate Professor Economics Mody University of Science and Technology Laxmangarh Sikar Rajasthan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Dhiresh Kulshrestha Associate Professor Economics Mody University of Science and Technology Laxmangarh Sikar Rajasthan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2017 08:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Prof Beker, 
I read your paper and enjoyed the insight story which is mentioned as complexity of the economics. This paper also focus on the traditional approach of economic analysis. Really, it&#039;s fantastic and investigative deep discussion regarding the economic complexity. 
Thank you so much Professor in such a nice way of discussion.
My best wishes Prof Beker]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Prof Beker,<br />
I read your paper and enjoyed the insight story which is mentioned as complexity of the economics. This paper also focus on the traditional approach of economic analysis. Really, it&#8217;s fantastic and investigative deep discussion regarding the economic complexity.<br />
Thank you so much Professor in such a nice way of discussion.<br />
My best wishes Prof Beker</p>
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		By: Victor A. Beker		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-112</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor A. Beker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2017 12:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-94&quot;&gt;Ping Chen&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you very much, Professor Ping, for your valuable contribution to the debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-94">Ping Chen</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you very much, Professor Ping, for your valuable contribution to the debate.</p>
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		By: Ping Chen		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-94</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ping Chen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Becker has enough reason to argue that complexity economics could add more interesting features to existing economic models. Shiozawa is also right that we should be cautions at the early stage of complexity economics.
From my observation, Brian Arthur made important contribution in explaining the existence of Silicon Valley by INCREASING RETURNS, which was inspired by Prigogine&#039;s idea of constructive role of positive feedback, such as auto-catalysis in chemical reaction; while increasing returns to scale is excluded in microeconomics since supply curve does not exist in optimization. 
We observed that neoclassical growth theory has conflicting thoughts. Solow model of exogenous growth based on CONSTANT RETURNS to scale predicting a CONVERGENT trend; while Romer&#039;s model of endogenous growth base on INCREASING RETURNS implies a DIVERGENT trend. Both models failed to explain RISE &#038; FALLl of great powers in history. We proposed METABOLIC GROWTH theory with DYNAMIC RETURNS for a tech WAVELET. Here, nonlinearity is only a math representation. The real challenge is selection of PROPER MATH for STYLIZED EMPIRICAL PATTERNS. See. Ping Chen, Metabolic Growth Theory, Journal of Evolutionary Economics, 24(2),239-262 (2014).
Another example is the misleading image of MATHEMATICAL CHAOS that sounds like greater DISORDER rather than HIGHER kind of ORDER OUT OF CHAOS (Prigogine). We discover that the so-called WHITE CHAOS in difference equations is simple in math modeling but irrelevant for empirical research, since we do not have intrinsic time unit in biology or economics. We prefer COLOR CHAOS model  in differential equations that is capable of describing monetary chaos and stock market, since it has irregular amplitude but narrow frequency band. We consider COLOR CHAOS model is a good math model for BIOLOGIC CLOCK or ECONOMIC ORGANISM by Schumpeter or SPONTANEOUS ORDER by Hayek in business cycle theory, More importantly, COLOR CHAOS model is structurally more stable than LINEAR OSCILLATOR, such as Samuelson model of accelerator-multiplier. In this regards, the idea of BUTTERFLY EFFECT, SAND PILE model and EDGE OF CHAOS cannot survive as biological and economic structure. Schrodinger had better idea in his classical book WHAT IS LIFE (1948), he pointed out that organism needs both STABILITY and VARIABILITY to adapt changing environment. His concept of META-STABILITY can be visualized by COLOR CHAOS or a potential WELL with FINITE DEPTH.
Neoclassical economics only consider equilibrium and stability in linear models, while complexity scientists may over-state instability in chaos models. In fact, color chaos model has local instability with multiple equilibriums but global stability characterized by STRANGE ATTRACTOR.
We must have a BALANCED understanding of stability and variability in biological and economic dynamics. See. Ping Chen, Economic Complexity and Equilibrium Illusion, Essays on Market Instability and Viable Market, Routledge (2010).
In sum, we should be optimistic for the future of complexity economics plus cautions in applying complexity modeling in economic analysis.
Ping Chen, Professor of Peking University, Beijing, China]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becker has enough reason to argue that complexity economics could add more interesting features to existing economic models. Shiozawa is also right that we should be cautions at the early stage of complexity economics.<br />
From my observation, Brian Arthur made important contribution in explaining the existence of Silicon Valley by INCREASING RETURNS, which was inspired by Prigogine&#8217;s idea of constructive role of positive feedback, such as auto-catalysis in chemical reaction; while increasing returns to scale is excluded in microeconomics since supply curve does not exist in optimization.<br />
We observed that neoclassical growth theory has conflicting thoughts. Solow model of exogenous growth based on CONSTANT RETURNS to scale predicting a CONVERGENT trend; while Romer&#8217;s model of endogenous growth base on INCREASING RETURNS implies a DIVERGENT trend. Both models failed to explain RISE &amp; FALLl of great powers in history. We proposed METABOLIC GROWTH theory with DYNAMIC RETURNS for a tech WAVELET. Here, nonlinearity is only a math representation. The real challenge is selection of PROPER MATH for STYLIZED EMPIRICAL PATTERNS. See. Ping Chen, Metabolic Growth Theory, Journal of Evolutionary Economics, 24(2),239-262 (2014).<br />
Another example is the misleading image of MATHEMATICAL CHAOS that sounds like greater DISORDER rather than HIGHER kind of ORDER OUT OF CHAOS (Prigogine). We discover that the so-called WHITE CHAOS in difference equations is simple in math modeling but irrelevant for empirical research, since we do not have intrinsic time unit in biology or economics. We prefer COLOR CHAOS model  in differential equations that is capable of describing monetary chaos and stock market, since it has irregular amplitude but narrow frequency band. We consider COLOR CHAOS model is a good math model for BIOLOGIC CLOCK or ECONOMIC ORGANISM by Schumpeter or SPONTANEOUS ORDER by Hayek in business cycle theory, More importantly, COLOR CHAOS model is structurally more stable than LINEAR OSCILLATOR, such as Samuelson model of accelerator-multiplier. In this regards, the idea of BUTTERFLY EFFECT, SAND PILE model and EDGE OF CHAOS cannot survive as biological and economic structure. Schrodinger had better idea in his classical book WHAT IS LIFE (1948), he pointed out that organism needs both STABILITY and VARIABILITY to adapt changing environment. His concept of META-STABILITY can be visualized by COLOR CHAOS or a potential WELL with FINITE DEPTH.<br />
Neoclassical economics only consider equilibrium and stability in linear models, while complexity scientists may over-state instability in chaos models. In fact, color chaos model has local instability with multiple equilibriums but global stability characterized by STRANGE ATTRACTOR.<br />
We must have a BALANCED understanding of stability and variability in biological and economic dynamics. See. Ping Chen, Economic Complexity and Equilibrium Illusion, Essays on Market Instability and Viable Market, Routledge (2010).<br />
In sum, we should be optimistic for the future of complexity economics plus cautions in applying complexity modeling in economic analysis.<br />
Ping Chen, Professor of Peking University, Beijing, China</p>
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		By: David Harold Chester		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-72</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Harold Chester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The answer to getting to grips with complexity in macroeconomics is to consider the various functions that different parts of the system have in common. It will be seen that these functions are much more limited in kind than the huge numbers of people who are performing them. In my working paper SSRN 2865571 &quot;Einstein&#039;s Criterion Applied to Logical Macroeconomics Modelling&quot; (which is freely available on the internet), I show that by considering these functions as being idealized aggregates whitin the the Big Picture, there are actually only about 19 variables all together (of money flow verses goods, services, access rites, valuable paper, taxes, etc.) These various flows pass between only 6 entities or agents who have input and outputs of these flows and the money parts mostly balance, as the particular agency adjusts its internal activity, consumes the material mutual flows, etc. Then this &quot;fear&quot; of our subject becoming too complicated to properly understand is seen to be a hypothetical situation which is unrealistic when one makes the simplifying assumptions noted above. 

There are further complications due to the need for subsequent decision-making by the entities and its effects, but compared to the scale of how this subject begins, they are small.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to getting to grips with complexity in macroeconomics is to consider the various functions that different parts of the system have in common. It will be seen that these functions are much more limited in kind than the huge numbers of people who are performing them. In my working paper SSRN 2865571 &#8220;Einstein&#8217;s Criterion Applied to Logical Macroeconomics Modelling&#8221; (which is freely available on the internet), I show that by considering these functions as being idealized aggregates whitin the the Big Picture, there are actually only about 19 variables all together (of money flow verses goods, services, access rites, valuable paper, taxes, etc.) These various flows pass between only 6 entities or agents who have input and outputs of these flows and the money parts mostly balance, as the particular agency adjusts its internal activity, consumes the material mutual flows, etc. Then this &#8220;fear&#8221; of our subject becoming too complicated to properly understand is seen to be a hypothetical situation which is unrealistic when one makes the simplifying assumptions noted above. </p>
<p>There are further complications due to the need for subsequent decision-making by the entities and its effects, but compared to the scale of how this subject begins, they are small.</p>
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		By: Aniqa Zeb		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-70</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Victor A. Beker, I had gone through your abstract which is not only very interesting but also contains areas where we need to not only think but to investigate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Victor A. Beker, I had gone through your abstract which is not only very interesting but also contains areas where we need to not only think but to investigate.</p>
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		By: Mahmud Mansaray		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-68</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mahmud Mansaray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2017 19:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Professor Beker,
I enjoyed reading your research on the complexities in Economics.  I certainly support the notion that the comportment of economics all together is much more multifaceted than the performance of its sections.  The complex nature of the subject is even more telling because of the prevalence of time series in many economic analyses.  In addition, time series, more often, follow a non-linearity pattern in regression analyses.  The introductions of non-linearity, even with its problems, offer several options in dealing with stable and volatile features in time series data.  Your research was rich and purposeful in describing the options of non-linearity models in economics, together with adding a novel knowledge of the complexities of economics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Professor Beker,<br />
I enjoyed reading your research on the complexities in Economics.  I certainly support the notion that the comportment of economics all together is much more multifaceted than the performance of its sections.  The complex nature of the subject is even more telling because of the prevalence of time series in many economic analyses.  In addition, time series, more often, follow a non-linearity pattern in regression analyses.  The introductions of non-linearity, even with its problems, offer several options in dealing with stable and volatile features in time series data.  Your research was rich and purposeful in describing the options of non-linearity models in economics, together with adding a novel knowledge of the complexities of economics.</p>
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		By: Valerian Popkov		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-47</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerian Popkov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Duality of human knowledge is the fundamental  principle of every theoretical explanation in economics . Economic reality, since entirely constructed by human being in accordance with his or her value preferences (which can considerably deviate from rational ones), must become an object for itself; such a transformation of a pure subject into an object for itself is impossible without primary duality residing within the person (the person is at the same time both the subject and the object of nature). This duality cannot be reduced, since, being the general condition of conceiving economic phenomena, it is also, according to our theoretical approach, the principle of every theoretical explanation. Now every theory need be aimed solely at reducing all opposites of the economy to the primary opposition of the cognising subject, who is no longer himself, but appears as a manifestation of economic phenomena. Economic systems, also like living systems in nature, maintain themselves through a process of eternal turnover, separating on the one side from what they connect with on the other, and connecting here with what they separate from there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duality of human knowledge is the fundamental  principle of every theoretical explanation in economics . Economic reality, since entirely constructed by human being in accordance with his or her value preferences (which can considerably deviate from rational ones), must become an object for itself; such a transformation of a pure subject into an object for itself is impossible without primary duality residing within the person (the person is at the same time both the subject and the object of nature). This duality cannot be reduced, since, being the general condition of conceiving economic phenomena, it is also, according to our theoretical approach, the principle of every theoretical explanation. Now every theory need be aimed solely at reducing all opposites of the economy to the primary opposition of the cognising subject, who is no longer himself, but appears as a manifestation of economic phenomena. Economic systems, also like living systems in nature, maintain themselves through a process of eternal turnover, separating on the one side from what they connect with on the other, and connecting here with what they separate from there.</p>
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		By: Henry de-Graft Acquah		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-32</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry de-Graft Acquah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2017 00:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very Good insights into complexity economics. Complexity economics is promising 
and more theoretical and empirical work is needed to reveal uncertainty 
in complex economics as well as improve this new approach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Good insights into complexity economics. Complexity economics is promising<br />
and more theoretical and empirical work is needed to reveal uncertainty<br />
in complex economics as well as improve this new approach.</p>
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		By: Victor A. Beker		</title>
		<link>https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-28</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor A. Beker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-26&quot;&gt;Greg Hill&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Greg,
Thank you very much for your interesting comments on my paper. I will try to answer your questions.
1.- The relationship between complexity and prediction is not a simple one. For instance, see Mihailovic et al. (2014) at https://www.hindawi.com/journals/amete/2014/878249/ 
2.- I think you´re right in your argument on the relationship between your interesting paper and Robert and Yoguel´s criteria. 
3.- I´m not a philosopher, so I presume you have a better answer to questions 4 and 5.  What I want to underline is that multiple equilibria implies that the result attained is path-dependent. History matters.  
Thank you for the references in point 5. I will read them with interest and benefit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://economicphilosophy2017.weaconferences.net/papers/complexity-and-economics/#comment-26">Greg Hill</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Greg,<br />
Thank you very much for your interesting comments on my paper. I will try to answer your questions.<br />
1.- The relationship between complexity and prediction is not a simple one. For instance, see Mihailovic et al. (2014) at <a href="https://www.hindawi.com/journals/amete/2014/878249/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.hindawi.com/journals/amete/2014/878249/</a><br />
2.- I think you´re right in your argument on the relationship between your interesting paper and Robert and Yoguel´s criteria.<br />
3.- I´m not a philosopher, so I presume you have a better answer to questions 4 and 5.  What I want to underline is that multiple equilibria implies that the result attained is path-dependent. History matters.<br />
Thank you for the references in point 5. I will read them with interest and benefit.</p>
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		By: Greg Hill		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very useful overview for this complexity novice!  

1.  I’m interested in agents who do more than optimize, and I’m interested in the role that ideas and theories play in decision making.  However, your point about the difficulty in building models to study areas like economics where most of the data is of the low frequency variety is a good one.  I did, however, come across Robert Shiller’s 2017 AEA Presidential Address on “Narrative Economics,” which uses Google searches to trace the “rise and fall” of different ideas (memes?) over time.  These can be simple narratives, such as “don’t wait until you’re priced out of the housing market,” or more complicated theories like the so-called “Laffer Curve,” which played a big role in the justifying the tax cuts of the Reagan and Thatcher administrations.  

2.  You point out that Richard Day (1994) says, “An economic system is dynamically complex if its deterministic endogenous processes do not lead it asymptotically to a fixed point, a limit cycle, or an explosion.” Can this be roughly translated as saying, “An economic system is dynamically complex if its future ‘path’ cannot be predicted”?  Does this mean it has no equilibria? (Apologies if these are silly questions).

3.  Don’t know if this is of interest to anyone besides me, but my paper (for this conference) seems to match up with 3 or 4 of the 5 summary criteria of complexity put forward by Robert and Yoguel’s (2013): i) “heterogeneity, ii) disequilibrium and divergence, iii) interactions and partial information iv) network architecture, and v) emergent properties.” I have i) autonomous agents with ii) multiple beliefs, who iii) interact in many institutions and environments on the basis of diverse beliefs, which produces iv) some kind of disequilibrium, if only in the form of disappointed expectations.

4.  You write, “The multiplicity of equilibria means that there are many possible worlds.”  A philosophical question for you: Are all these worlds made of the same basic stuff or can they be made of different “materials,” e.g., different concepts? This isn’t a well-formed question. 

5.  You write, “From this perspective, the economy can be seen as a process of self-organization: the system ‘chooses’ between the different options that are presented to it.”  I don’t think you mean that the “system,” itself, is an agent, but rather are employing something like Daniel Dennett’s “intentional stance.”  The danger in this is well-described by the Wittgensteinian philosopher, P.M.S. Hacker, in a number of books, but especially in The Philosophical Foundations of Neuroscience, where Hacker argues that you make decisions, your brain doesn’t.  You can Google to find Dennett and John Searle’s side of the argument if you’re interested.

Thanks for sharing your article.  There’s a lot more in it that bears comment, but you’ve certainly got me thinking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very useful overview for this complexity novice!  </p>
<p>1.  I’m interested in agents who do more than optimize, and I’m interested in the role that ideas and theories play in decision making.  However, your point about the difficulty in building models to study areas like economics where most of the data is of the low frequency variety is a good one.  I did, however, come across Robert Shiller’s 2017 AEA Presidential Address on “Narrative Economics,” which uses Google searches to trace the “rise and fall” of different ideas (memes?) over time.  These can be simple narratives, such as “don’t wait until you’re priced out of the housing market,” or more complicated theories like the so-called “Laffer Curve,” which played a big role in the justifying the tax cuts of the Reagan and Thatcher administrations.  </p>
<p>2.  You point out that Richard Day (1994) says, “An economic system is dynamically complex if its deterministic endogenous processes do not lead it asymptotically to a fixed point, a limit cycle, or an explosion.” Can this be roughly translated as saying, “An economic system is dynamically complex if its future ‘path’ cannot be predicted”?  Does this mean it has no equilibria? (Apologies if these are silly questions).</p>
<p>3.  Don’t know if this is of interest to anyone besides me, but my paper (for this conference) seems to match up with 3 or 4 of the 5 summary criteria of complexity put forward by Robert and Yoguel’s (2013): i) “heterogeneity, ii) disequilibrium and divergence, iii) interactions and partial information iv) network architecture, and v) emergent properties.” I have i) autonomous agents with ii) multiple beliefs, who iii) interact in many institutions and environments on the basis of diverse beliefs, which produces iv) some kind of disequilibrium, if only in the form of disappointed expectations.</p>
<p>4.  You write, “The multiplicity of equilibria means that there are many possible worlds.”  A philosophical question for you: Are all these worlds made of the same basic stuff or can they be made of different “materials,” e.g., different concepts? This isn’t a well-formed question. </p>
<p>5.  You write, “From this perspective, the economy can be seen as a process of self-organization: the system ‘chooses’ between the different options that are presented to it.”  I don’t think you mean that the “system,” itself, is an agent, but rather are employing something like Daniel Dennett’s “intentional stance.”  The danger in this is well-described by the Wittgensteinian philosopher, P.M.S. Hacker, in a number of books, but especially in The Philosophical Foundations of Neuroscience, where Hacker argues that you make decisions, your brain doesn’t.  You can Google to find Dennett and John Searle’s side of the argument if you’re interested.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your article.  There’s a lot more in it that bears comment, but you’ve certainly got me thinking.</p>
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